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hello today's the 27th of june 2021

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we're here in the taff embankment in

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cardiff right next to the river club to

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speak to mike mark flew party

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who's

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he's uh reported recycling to us on the

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11th of may

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2021 this is about five or six weeks ago

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uh mark's an interest interesting

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witness because he's actually an ex-u.s

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marine

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living here in cardiff so we're going to

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go and

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see him now and he's going to tell us

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what he saw

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here we are in mark's house he's kindly

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invited us in to talk about his psyche

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which he had

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about five or six weeks ago

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broad daylight wasn't it marketing yeah

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it was four o'clock

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four o'clock in the afternoon yeah yeah

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can you tell us where you were i was out

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back working in my garden uh right in

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front of my

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at that time i just stepped out of my

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greenhouse and took a break it was

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pretty hot

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and i just sit down on a chair got out

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there and

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i uh

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sat there and

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just took a break and i seen off in a

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distance i saw

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what i thought at the time was a flock

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of birds

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it just

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it didn't look right but you know again

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a flock of birds and

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so i just went on about what i was doing

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a couple minutes later

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i glanced up and they were coming this

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way and i looked and i seen uh

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well that's the strangest flock of birds

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i'd ever saw

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because you know normally you look at a

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flock of birds they don't fly straight

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and you know block you off watch any

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flock there up and down and go in

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circles and doing all kinds of weird

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things

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and

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well these are just uh

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just kind of straight and even though it

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looked like there were wings flapping

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i didn't know what that was until they

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got right up over me and when they got

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because at that point they had my

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attention

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[Music]

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and they just right up over us and i'll

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show you out there where they were

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and i could see then what why i thought

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i saw wings fly was because of different

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colors they had this color they were

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just

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imitating wings

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i don't know how he did but off at a

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distance it would look look that way

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and

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i uh

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i i couldn't believe it was ufos first

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you know flying saucers but

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my first thought was

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you know that it was some kind of a

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drone

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because this saucer-shaped room that

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somebody played a game they did

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something from the military

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because the wife said there's a military

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base over by swansea in that area

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something right overseas

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yeah so i thought because that's kind of

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the direction they were coming from i

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thought maybe that's what it was so

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coming from the south yeah south uh

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yeah south directly south yeah how many

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objects was it

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at least a dozen maybe 13.

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at least it doesn't

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know

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i count like on that picture i i uh

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there might have been more but that they

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were all in that formation that i that i

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showed you how high up

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yeah they were

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that's why i can't believe i would be

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the only one that's seen that

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i mean i contacted the paper and asked

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them

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am i the only person that seen these i

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said i don't normally believe in ufos

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and they might be just drones but i'd

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like to know there must have been other

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people still in this whole daylight it

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had to be had to be i mean this is

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cardiff had to be surely i'm not the

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only person that's looking up is this

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guy

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a central card if we are we yeah yeah

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had to be people there from the south

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that had to see him come over

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had to be people to the north at some

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point because they flew in that

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direction due north so were they all the

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same size yeah yeah and roughly all the

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same what would you say they were in

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size

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was there any noise

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no no no that that's what caught my

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attention really quite half of me

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because they were there

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you can hear a helicopter flying at that

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level over you yeah it's and believe me

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we got a lot of them here

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and there was no noise it was pitch

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quiet so which shape what shape were

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they brown

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they were totally round

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each one is the same size same shape

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yeah and but that was up here you know

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often i could

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when i got playing when i when i create

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recreated that

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what i saw

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i explained a lot of things to myself

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that people see

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when they see these cigar shaped things

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like that

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because i was able to take this what i

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saw because i had to re because i

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couldn't find anything in all my

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uh stuff that would allow me to

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duplicate what i saw so i took and i had

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to make it myself

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but when i duplicated it and i was

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trying to get angles the right pitch the

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right angle that i saw that

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i was getting

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i could see and it looked like a cigar

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shaped thing at different angles and

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that told me well that explains a lot

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that a lot of people have seen over the

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past in in times because that's it's

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just the angle that the thing's flying

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it was odd but they were high enough

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that i could see they weren't cigar

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shaped or anything weird like that they

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just came

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and when they flew over me

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they it was off they were around you

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looking straight up i was looking well

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about like that

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just about that like that and they were

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round yeah and you sent us a picture

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yeah that's the picture i recreated

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because i didn't like a fool now i got

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my camera with me everywhere

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i was sitting out there and didn't have

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my camera i noticed on the picture you

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gave us the reconstruction that you made

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some of them had lights on yeah that's

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the ones that i'm saying that looked

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like they were flapping wings off the

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distance it looked like wings so they

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were actually

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quite brightly flashing

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way brighter than what i could do in

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that picture i mean i could make them

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brighter but it would just took me

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forever to set that program the color

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was the flashing red

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red red and

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when they got up on me it's red but

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at that distance i really couldn't tell

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color

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it was just like it was just a shadow

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like thing that was

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i really couldn't uh tell the color back

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then until it got right up on me then i

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seen the red

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and it was it was all kinds of weird

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shapes going through stars and different

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things that they were going through

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when they flew over but it was only just

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a few of them there weren't any weird

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shapes the the flash in

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were the objects moving about at all

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they were just moving they were all

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moving in a formation formation but the

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lights on each one would

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there was a formation

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how many of the 12 or 13 were flashing

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in the picture you said there's a leaf

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yeah three or four yeah

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at least three and

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i was trying to remember if there was

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four i don't think so i mean i was

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caught what stunned me was the

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metallic that i saw the black ones the

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ones that didn't have one you're in the

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rear garden yeah um which

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when you were looking over the house are

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you towards them yeah well i was first

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looking off in the south i just kind of

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glanced at the south and

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and like i said i didn't pay them any

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much of mine because i thought man

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probably just flocked birds and then

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they got up on me

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and he started getting closer i could

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you know like i said a strange block of

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birds

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didn't even cross me i'd never come

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i've never always been skeptical about

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this sort of thing and

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yeah i've always kept an open mind

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yet when they got closer it was obvious

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to me i could see that they weren't ufos

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because like i said they passed i mean

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they weren't uh

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birds they were they were so they had

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they were ufos

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drones or a ufo

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never if they were drones they were

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awful big so they went directly by there

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there was something

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like that they would have been roughly

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over the river then

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i think so rip you know i don't know

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you'll see when you get out there

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you'll see that they're just like over i

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could see them clear so they had to be

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pretty much over the house how fast were

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they moving they weren't moving as fast

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as i would think you know i've seen

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things shooting through the sky and

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doing different things in my life that i

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never really paid no mind to because

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you know like i said

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you always see things far off in the

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distance and for pictures or fields of

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things that are blurry and you don't

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know what what you're looking at so

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these things they they weren't moving to

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that that's what really baffled me they

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weren't moving super fast like what

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you'd see in these pictures it was like

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they were just parading yeah

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they were just going about like that if

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you to look at if i could do and put my

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hand up through the sky this is how they

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were moving

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just like that steady pace stand steady

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face all of them steady face moving in

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that direction to the north well i'm

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like you just saw them going off to the

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north i just watched them just disappear

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off into the north until i could they

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just so far away i couldn't see them

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anymore

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well i thought about it once like once i

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realized what they were my camera came

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into my mind and i went in it came in

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and i got my camera i was going to get

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my wife to them show her and i went back

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out front here

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but they were so far off then i would

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just be another guy taking a picture of

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something off way off in the distance

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with us they're playing it in right so

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you phoned up the southwest sacko is

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that the local paper i filled out the

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south wales on the wells paper they

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haven't only lived online yeah yeah and

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they're the people i sent a message off

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to i said to just a quick

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quick email i was just asking

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you know i said i don't

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i mean i might even have i know i have a

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copy of it i don't uh i don't believe

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any i don't believe in ufos really

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so these had to be drone with some very

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large drones i said

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am i the only one who's seen these

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flying over

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you know cardiff that this

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you know formation the way they were

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round big round discharge drones and

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never got any fancy we're saying 4 30 in

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that's where you were i was in here

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working i just sit in my chair like i

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normally do just sit down i looked off

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in that direction way off there

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like i said there was a lot of blue sky

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now you don't got blue sky

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but you did it yeah

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it was just a lot of blue sky

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and i could see i could see off in that

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direction in his back

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just looked like a flock of birds

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and

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you know just kind of looked up they

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were a bit closer right about over under

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there and i can see that

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that's the strangest flock of birds i

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ever saw

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and

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i could see right about if you just kind

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of look at that

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aerial thing that's up there

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it was right they were they were up

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there

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that's the direction they were just

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above the chimney yeah just way up in

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that's where they were and they were big

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i mean

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i look at targets

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i've i've shot targets at a thousand

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meters

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and i know what a man-sized target looks

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like in a scope

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and

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through my eyes

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those

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if i was to put them in the sky they

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that's what they look like

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a big

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had to be yeah that's why i guess you

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know

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fighter jet maybe

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fighter jets pretty good size

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so you know like that way up there they

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were about like that there was something

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you know i could see clearly what they

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were

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yeah it's really strange

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i mean i can't figure out why they would

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be doing that showing us something

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flying over like that

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there's only two reasons there's no they

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don't notice any

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planes flying around after they've come

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past like no flying's anywhere no

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helicopters that's another strange thing

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there's no helicopters because out front

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looking

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no streaks going through the sky

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and you can sit out here on any given

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sunshine day

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and like in

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30 minutes i counted 10 streaks just

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going here

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a few days ago when we had all the

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sunshine

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oh yeah you mean the just just

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plain yeah oh yeah so you know that

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that's everyday thing here there was

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none when they went through

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and that i see that wasn't again i

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didn't i didn't notice any because it's

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all clear

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yeah but sometimes after

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things are seen you find military about

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five ten minutes later

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following the same track as what they've

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gone through yeah that's what i thought

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because i thought well if i watch big

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because you would think we you hear

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about here in the uk about the russians

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invading our airspace and have jets

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suddenly go out and give them a give

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them a flyby

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well

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i didn't see ones yet

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intercept those

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not not at that distance

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and not here and not until they

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disappeared i found that odd

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the pentagon ufo report came out

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yesterday yeah i have a couple days ago

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yeah

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an ex-american servicemen

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did you ever see anything when you were

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in the service

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no i've seen things when it's cowboy

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you know it's been awesome yeah you're

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going to say he's mark's from

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you said he's from texas or yeah cowboy

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yeah i used to cowboy in arizona texas

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and utah

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um you see a lot of things different

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things out at night time and day time

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when you're out there running cows i've

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come across

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across dead cows

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dissected all that weird stuff

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i had a guy that ran one of the ranchers

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i worked for he uh

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he told me to come out one day on this

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field riding a horse and seen

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a saucer-shaped thing hang just above us

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and i thought well

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what'd you do and he said well i just

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watched looked at it i said did you have

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your rifle i said why did you shoot it

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is another thing you just touched on

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that you insane dissectors and stuff

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like that you know he found that he

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found quite a few of his cows that way

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i haven't heard of anything here since

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i've been in the uk about stuff like

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that there's not so much it's a little

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bit here and a pier but not a huge

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amount so where in the world do they go

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mostly africa

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japan

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yeah somewhat you came

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did you see you said earlier you went to

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look for your camera didn't you

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yeah i came out here for my camera when

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when i came in the house yeah because i

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couldn't see them anymore from the back

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so i can't even grab a camera and it

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came out front here and they were way

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off in the distance they're in between

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those

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the stadium and that

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they're like that's the millennium

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stadium and in that weird white building

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with a little saucer on it

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yes ironical

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yeah

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but they were between there as you move

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over that way but you can see the

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building there with a like a rum

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so you saw them going off in that

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direction right about the middle center

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center that's due north straight that

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way

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yeah so it was too late to take pictures

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and yeah

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if i took a picture then they would have

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been just like everybody else taking

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pictures of things way off in the

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distance and i thought we got plenty of

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that

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and

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i was just hoping maybe they they

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stalled or something like that up here

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when i came out the front door

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but they didn't they didn't stall

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maybe a jet fighter fly over and i could

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get a picture but that didn't happen

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either

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so who knows

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that's why i thought they had to do

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something with the military because

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there was no interception i mean these

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guys are intercepting russian fighters

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why wouldn't they i mean russian bombers

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why wouldn't they intercept something

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like that

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and they did it

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actually that does make you wonder makes

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you sit and go hmm

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and i've i'm not i i'm a man who doesn't

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believe in coincidence i believe in

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there's a reason for things

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and

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they

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there was no jet fighters if there was a

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you know as you told me there's a base

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there around swansea well

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well swansea direction yeah in that area

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it's about 10 miles yeah yeah you would

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have thought

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well if i seen them they were on radar

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they had to see it

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i mean i can't believe that they're that

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low you couldn't see the hell they would

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have saw him at the airport

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yeah on radar

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they would have don't question